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IBM has released its new free EGL Community Edition, which is an Eclipse-based tool that simplifies development of JavaScript-based Web applications. Basically, developers who traditionally code in PHP, Ruby on Rails, Groovy, JavaScript, and HTML can now download free EGL tools to code, test, and debug rich Web 2.0 applications in one simplified language. Wefirst reported this new edition in July, and I've since written about it in the pages of System ...

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Who is EGL supposed to be aimed at? These "hiding the complexities of HTML" type frameworks usually wind up just as complicated to use but with much less versatility.

JavaScript can be complicated but I would much rather use a framework that facilitates using the language rather than try to replace it altogether. Dojo is pretty nifty but I found performance to be slow. I much prefer JQuery on the client side with spring on the server side.

If I really wanted to abandon coding JavaScript and HTML then I would more likely use something like GWT which is at least written in a language I already know and can be extended if required.

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In response to the report in Channel Web:

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